Besides the Rushed Finale in Hawkeye does anyone have any other issues with Hawkeye show overall???

Yelena’s storyline feels shoved in, as she doesn’t appear until the fourth episode and she’s completely separate from the rest of the story.

I feel like Kingpin being a major mystery until the sixth episode really hurt both Echo’s and Eleanor’s characters. If he had been involved, let’s say around the fourth episode, it would have absolutely helped the pacing.

The pacing for the first two episodes were very slow, and hard to get into. The third and fourth episodes were okay, but it was only until the fifth episode that I really got into the show. (The MCU series have excellent penultimate episodes from what I see so far).

Unpopular opinion: I could not get into Kate’s character for a long time. I think it’s because I didn’t buy into her character enough to make reckless decisions and get herself into the superhero world, and her shtick gets old after a while. Again, it was that fifth episode that really shined, and with that, I finally got into her character enough.

Standard general MCU series issues with some blatant set-ups for future shows/movies and an overstuffed finale, though here it’s less of an issue compared to its contemporaries.

Not really. I actually loved the whole thing.

It was actually my favorite of the D+ shows so far.

I want to see more of Jack if there’s a season 2.

I wish they showcased Kingpin better or made him a bigger deal and I wish they gave us more of Maya. I feel like the moment Yelena stepped into the scene they stopped giving me information I feel like I would probably want heading into Echo. I don’t read the comics and have zero marvel knowledge aside from the movies. I was really curious on how the storytelling was going to be like with a deaf character. Unfortunately Hawkeye didn’t show much.

My biggest problem was how ridiculous the fighting was… hundreds of guys with guns and nobody even tried shooting!

It’s by far my favourite Disney plus show, but the plot has tons of sizeable contrivances to move it along, with the one at the end of the first episode being especially egregious –

– on a weekend that Hawkeye happens to be in New York, there is an auction for the ronin suit which ends up being crashed, causing one of his super fans to be in the right place to take it and be noticed on the news in time for him to see it and save her at the right moment.

Love most of the character work though

Kingpin reveal was too late.

Also: i can’t fucking stand the trope of _”problem only existing because people actively refuse to communicate what they’re fighting about”_

Yes, it makes sense for some characters. But it annoyed me a little that they had this huge fight and at the end it was resolved the way it should have been resolved 3 encounters ago.

It’s my number 2

Jumpsuits and Echo seemed really useless IMO. Jumpsuits were just canon fodder and Echo was barely keeping up with Clint. Even Kate could go against Echo and last a while- could even win, with some luck.

Yelena may have been pulling punches and refusing to kill Kate, but she was slowed down by Kate long enough for it to be a problem.

Also, as bit of a nitpick/side note, Idk why Yelena didn’t just injure Kate enough to keep her out of the fight. I know she didn’t want to kill a good kid who was in over her head, but she had no reason to just leave Kate mostly unharmed. As skilled as Yelena is, especially compared to Kate, there’s no reason she couldn’t just pop a knee cap and leave Kate there. Maybe even give her a knife or gun so she can defend herself from any jumpsuits who come for Kate.

My biggest gripe is the fact they try to show the fans that Kate Bishop is an elite archer/fencer/martial artist by stating she’s on a college archer team or took first place in a national martial arts tournament and not by showing us viewers that she is an Olympic level athlete (Archery, Fencing/Saber, Judo/Taekwon Doe etc are all Olympic sports) so if they stated to us that she was a prodigy multi medal Olympian instead of just a collegiate athlete her skill set would be further justified when going against multiple thugs, Echo, Yolana etc.

For instance Rhonda Rousey was a Bronze medal judo champion in the Olympics but got knocked out by Holy Holms whose a world champion kickboxer. Being good at something gets you somewhere, but being prodigy level makes the things she done in the show more believable to the viewers and fans of the comics.

Like if the story arc was her being so great at mentioned things that she got bored with it in her late teens early adulthood and then she became the wreck less girl pulling hijinks like the arrow stunt with the clock tower it would’ve gone a long way to me and imo made the show a better product then what we got

My only complaint is that they never used the trans Siberian orchestra carol of the bells song. It would have been perfect for a fight scene.

Mild Tv pg rating instead of extreme but still fine

No, very wholesome. Kate Beeeshop is cute.

no it’s my second favorite basically tied with wandavision. it was good.

Fucking Larpers. Can someone explain how these clowns have more of a coherent story than Echo and Kingpin?

How did they do such a good job setting up Maya in episode 3, but then do everything in their power to fuck up the character? Just look at the Kazi and Maya relationship and how it turned out when they did nothing to develop it at all, how rushed and messy it was.

The fucking larpers getting new costumes story was better written.

Yeah, it felt like they didn’t really who the show is about. They focused too much time onto Kate Bishop for it to be about Clint. But they focused too much time on Clint for it to really be about Kate either.

Also, not the biggest Hailee Steinfeld fan, so her playing the same spoiled character like she always does didn’t help matters either.

I will say, seeing Kingpin go full strength and being able to throw people around was a bit of a delight for me. Grew up with the comics and Spider-Man TAS so seeing it realized in live-action was a treat.

I didn’t think it was rushed. I loved the series from start to finish.

Poor writing for the villains, also the mother and Swordsman were kind of not well written, I still didn’t get them, they seem from something else, I don’t know.

I rewatched it (ugh..) and *kinda* changed my mind on it

but I still think that:

– episodes 5 and (especially) 6 are pretty bad
– the plot is uselessly convoluted, too many elements all at once
– Kate’s mother was terrible
– the villains were terrible
– the Larpers subplot was a pile of vomit
– Echo had the depth of a piece of paper
– Kingpin…well, nothing to add here

the rest was okay

I actually don’t have any issues with the finale. But my main thing is that nothing in the show screamed to me that Echo needed a spin-off. Alaqua Cox did a great job as someone who had never acted before, but she certainly didn’t have me mesmerized enough where I’d sit down for six hours.

Then again, her show is clearly a backdoor pilot for the Netflix shows to be integrated, so…

It’s my least favorite show out of all the D+ shows. But if you like it I respect your opinion