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Reading this in JP makes it clear Isayama wanted to break Eren’s “cool” image here. Instead of pathetic, Armin says “uncool/ unstylish”.
Reading this in JP makes it clear Isayama wanted to break Eren’s “cool” image here. Instead of pathetic, Armin says “uncool/ unstylish”.
If Isayama wanted us to stop liking chad genocide Eren he should have made the alliance more likeable and given us better reasons to disagree with Eren (I saw it pointed out how the rumbling would have decimated the planet’s environment, which would have been a good point against Eren if it was actually brought up in the manga). You can’t just set up a story of “there is no right answer to the conflict problem,” have the main character take a “cool” extremist measure when all else fails, and then abruptly turn him into a loser to justify a forced and artificial message of “extremism bad”.
Yet at the same time Yams seems to want us to like 139-Eren’s plan despite being completely meaningless and idiotic. I don’t understand how “extremism bad” meshes with “actually the plan is less bad because he *only* killed 80%.” At that point you’re basically saying its okay because he left *some* other ethnic groups alive and ignoring the fact that the real atrocity is the sheer volume of people killed.
Maybe isyaama was trying to pull a light Yagami In the manga version were he dies like a bitch but also trying to pull a Lelouch. You can’t have it both ways dude!?! Either he should die with his ideals intact or don’t fucking kill 80% of the population and justify his actions
I see it as Isayama’s way of punishing us for how much we all enjoyed the rise of Evil Eren without actually putting it into question. We weren’t supposed to like Chapter 123 as much as we ended up doing, definitely not after Eren’s wise words to Reiner and Falco; Two conversations that took place in the same time-frame as his iconic declaration to ’’Kill all life’’.
Kinda sad tbh, I liked pre 139 Eren cause he was a well written character exactly because of his flaws, not because I supported his genocide
Why Isayama hates his own MC?
I think even all the contradictory shit Eren says throughout 139, and how he interprets Ymir’s relationship with Fritz as pure love, is meant to show that he’s a pathetic, dumbass, confused and hypocritical mess of a human being. I still don’t like 139, but I feel like it’s possible to understand what Isayama was going for with it a bit better now.
Or maybe trying to find some internal consistency is this chapter is just a massive cope, idk
So the character assassination was on purpose. Based yams
Yeah that’s definitely what he was doing because Isayama didn’t have the nuance to make someone both badass and completely pathetic ala Walter White also in the latter’s case he went back to try and set right some of his wrongs so while we can recognize he’s the bad guy we can also see him as a good person deep down.
Isayama makes chad eren seem cool while commiting genocide and makes the readers excited when he doesnt want them to be. And then he proceeds to change the entire character in 1 chapter to something pathetic and uncool while crying over a girl to make us sympathise with him but instead got us being disgusted with him. He really needs to go outside and stop getting his sources from twitter.
Yes, 139 was transparently a desperate attempt to get readers to stop supporting Eren and the rumbling. Having obviously completely failed to make the alliance (and Armin in particular) look good or make any sense, Isayama resorted to humiliating Eren and retconning his very straight forward motivations and reasoning into bizzare and self-contradictory nonsense. This is not only poor writing from a technical standpoint (most egregiously in its defiance of continuity) it’s just fucking petty.
i think someone resorting to genocide of everyone but his own race is a kinda uncool/unstylish thing to do on it’s own, but no obviously he needs to cry over her to be seen as a bad person
Unfortunately I would be able to put my mind at ease and accept this as something that just sorta didn’t hit as well as Yams had hoped if the rest of the arc wasn’t littered with bad writing, plot conveniences and poor characterization too. The second half of the Rumbling is incredibly weak and becomes very unbearable throughout the last 3 chapters.
It was a clear attempt to emasculate Eren, which is a good idea if executed correctly. First he gave Eren this ”bravado” style of character in the timeskip, always showing him dominating every scene he’s in, making his mind a mystery, making him charismatic for others to follow him, drawing him to be as badass as possible on the surface, always having that ”hardened, cold and rational” look and attitude. Its intentional to make the audience fall into the trap of idolizing him just like the yeagerists in-story. Eren also gives an easy solution to a complex problem: ultimate violence. This adds to his dominance.
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So the way isayama finds to make him pathetic as quick as possible is to crush that by making him pathetic towards a women, mikasa, who always showed interest in him. The fastest and easiest way to emasculate a character is showing his insecurities towards the opposite gender and how he feels about another man possibly getting to be with her.
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The intention is pretty clear here.
Doesnt make it any less of a bad writing though. Before ch135~~139, i thought he would do something similar AFTER eren kills everyone outside the walls and goes back to Historia, and he would become kind of like Rod reiss, who was – as kenny puts it – a slave to ”women”. Too dependant on her to keep going, now crushed by his own sins and all the lifes he took. That would be more natural and also had a set-up for it, since Historia was the one that made him look inwards in the uprising arc and realize how pathetic he was then, compared to her. Mikasa does this, but in a superficial way regarding physical strenght, while Historia makes him feel less by having emotional strenght.
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But anyway, even if we ignore all this and i’m reading way too much on the gender commentary of this shounen manga, there was definitely no need to go the extra step to make eren say contradictory stuff that only creates more plotholes, and make him willingly die so a 2000 loli gets to be free. Mikasa also had no business being paralled with ymir.
Shit writing, simple as that, Yams ran out of ideas and half-assed the ending. Nothing accomplished at all besides hurting his own and the manga’s prestige. Neglect 139. Eren’s still a red-pilled ten-pack-sporting based chad
eren crying is human but the reason for that crying is the part that ruins it.
Alliance are written to be likeable but they’re just not lol, they feel corny after they formed as a team, Avengers headass.
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Yeah, I’d rather like Eren
Doesnt change anything tbh. Honestly whot talks abt being cool/uncool when talking abt a genocide? Its fkn stupid either way
More proof that 139 was a giant ritual of demoralizing AoT fans that were inspired by Eren.
sadly he was just a plot device in the last arc, he shows it with man bun eren, the one who acted all mean in the table incident
Character assassination of Chadren lol
Isayama failed miserably, worse than dumn and dumber for game of thrones.
You forgot Isayama said “Eren is back” when drawing whiny Eren
How is that different from reading it in english?
DUDE….
Uncool.
(Bonus if you can understand the reference)
But why would Yam make Eren look pathetic in the first place. I know that genocide, racism, and other things are bad from every other aspect of the plot of this manga or overall life knowledge, you don’t need to tell me that with making Eren unattractive. It’s a fictionial world loosely based on humanity’s problems in the past and on some that still are relative to this day. It doesn’t really mean that I’m a racist or a murderer if I just wanted to see Eren win because he was MADE that chad, edgy, who cares only about freedom and moving forward without any boundaries person in an UNREALISTIC world to finally get a breath of fresh air in the manga’s endings and not another heroes win.
I think if the ending was shown as tragic it would be better. Once Eren had wiped out a chunk of the earth it was over for Paradis. They should’ve had more of an internal struggle deciding whether to stop Eren knowing that if even 1% of the world was left alive they would never forgive Paradis.
Well anime only here, just got manga spoilers. Now I understand why everyone wants AOE.
Well duh I coulda told you that
Cope.
It’s still shit writing lol.
Eren is back
Yup. Isayama wanted to tear away Eren’s image as a [ Byronic Hero](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ByronicHero#:~:text=Byronic%20Hero.%20His%20soul%20is%20as%20turbulent%20as,The%20Byronic%20Hero%20is%20a%20character%20notable%20) as punishment for him regressing into a freedom slave.
I honestly think Eren’s Byronism was intended for parody even before the final chapter. It was way too try-hard for me to take seriously.
I understand that. The problem was having some subtlety. Him crying and begging for forgiveness killing children for his goal? Great. Him sputtering over an undeveloped romance? Not so much.
Isayama tried and failed
Yeah, that was the vibe I got
I really don’t think 131 was trying to make Eren look “badass”. Just increasingly insane and pitiful.
maybe he associated eren with an edgy faze or smthn, still doesn’t make it not suck tho tbh.
Eren was supposed to be uncool in that scene, no way bro
In my personal opinion genocide was Erens last desperate attempt at trying to save his friends. Not a single person could think of a better plan at the time and with Marley at their doorstep it was his only choice. I just like to think when he broke down it wasnt just over Mikasa, but a culmination of literally everything in his head and it caused him to shatter and for some reason everything came out targeted at Mikasa
No shit, “ChArAcTeR aSsAsInAtIoN”